2002 07-03
SOUTH TAHOE PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRICT
"Basic Services for a Complex World"
Robert G. Baer, General Mana er
Duane Wallace, President
BOARD MEMBER
Richard Solbri Assistant Mana er
James R. Jones, Vice President
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REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS
SOUTH TAHOE PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRICT
JULY 3, 2002
MINUTES
The Board of Directors ofthe South Tahoe Public Utility District met in a regular session, July 3, 2002,
2:00 P.M., City Council Chambers, 1900 Lake Tahoe Boulevard, South Lake Tahoe, California.
BOARD OF DIRECTORS:
President Wallace, Directors Jones, Mosbacher.
Director Becker arrived at 4:20 p.m. Director Schafer
was absent (but participated by teleconference for
Action Item d. - Environmental Review for Proposed
Property Acquisition).
ROLL CALL
STAFF:
Baer, Solbrig, Sharp, McFarlane, Bird, Coyner, Henderson,
W. Stanley, Hussmann, Thiel, Rasmussen, Hoggatt,
Attorney Kvistad
GUESTS: Denise Phitts/Court Reporter, Stacy Naria [sp]/
representative for Clarence Burr
Moved Mosbacher / Second Wallace / Becker and
Schafer Absent / Passed to approve the Consent
Calendar as submitted:
CONSENT CALENDAR
a. Glenwood Well Replacement Project - Approved
proposal from Western Botanical Services, Inc.;
for the revegetation for the Glenwood Well in the
amount of $2,650;
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b. Rejected Liability Claim Received by Mr. Rey Espiritu,
APN 25-232-07-005-01 ;
c. Export B-Line: Phase 3 - Approved Task Order
No. 53S to Carollo Engineers in the amount of $9,430;
d. Approved Special Board Meeting Minutes:
June 14, 2002.
President Wallace presented the Finance Division with
a plaque from the Government Finance Officers Assoc-
iation for an Award of Excellence in Financial Reporting for
Comprehensive Annual Report (CAFR) for the Fiscal Year
Ended June 30, 2001. Rhonda McFarlane and District
staff members were acknowledged for their contributions
to the report.
CONSENT CALENDAR
( continued)
GOVERNMENT FINANCE
OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AWARD
ITEMS FOR BOARD ACTION
The District and Union negotiating teams have reached
agreement on compensation, benefits, and workplace
issues for the new four-year contract term. Union
members ratified the proposed contract on June 26, 2002
by a 2/3 vote. The MOU will become effective July 4, 2002.
All staff members who played a role were thanked for their
participation.
Moved Jones 1 Second Mosbacher 1 Becker and Schafer
Absent 1 Passed to authorize ratification of MOU with
International Union of Operating Engineers, Stationary
Local 39, AFL-CIO.
The District is planning to construct a 210,000 gallon
welded-steel water tank on a new foundation that was
completed last year. Two bids were opened at the July 2
bid opening. John Thiel recommended two minor bid
irregularities be waived: the contractor took the bid book
apart; and inadvertently re-entered the bid amount
under the Sheeting and Shoring item.
Moved Jones 1 Second Mosbacher 1 Seeker and Schafer
Absent 1 Passed to award contract to the lowest, respon-
sive, responsible bidder, Spiess Construction Co., Inc. in
the amount of $139,325.00, and to waive the minor bid
irregularity described above.
MEMORANDUM OF
UNDERSTANDING (MOU) FOR
UNION EMPLOYEES
GARDNER MOUNTAIN TANK
CONSTRUCTION
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Overlay on Highway 89 failed last winter due to a combina- EXPORT B-L1NE: PHASE 2
ion of overlay thickness of only one-inch, and the asphalt
mix specified in the contract documents. District staff has
negotiated cost reductions with the contractor and subcon-
tractor.
Moved Wallace I Second Jones I Becker and Schafer
Absent I Passed to approve purchase order to White
Rock Construction to replace overlay on Highway 89 at
Luther Pass in the amount of $112,750.16.
Moved Mosbacher I Second Jones I Becker and Schafer
Absent I Passed to approve payment in the amount of
$1,555,536.43.
PAYMENT OF CLAIMS
2:26 P.M. - 2:40 P.M.
MEETING BREAK
Director Schafer participated in this discussion via
teleconference. Copies of documents and maps used
at the meeting were distributed to Director Schafer
in advance.
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR
PROPOSED PROPERTY
ACQUISITION
The Alpine Superior Court has ordered the District's
Board of Directors to clarify its understanding and
knowledge with respect to the relative locations and
sizes of the property, Alpine County School property,
and surrounding properties at the time the Board of
Directors adopted the Negative Declaration for
acquisition of the property on November 1, 2001.
Hal Bird and Attorney Kvistad displayed and reviewed
several maps and resources the Board has observed and
reviewed during various meetings, open houses, work-
shops, tours, and site visits over the year proceeding the
November 1, 2001 meeting. Board members affirmed
their familiarity with each exhibit and confirmed their know-
ledge relating to the proposed property locations and
sizes, Alpine County School property, and surrounding
properties.
Stacy Naria [sp], on behalf of Clarence Burr, received
clarification that these maps and resources being
reviewed with the Board have been displayed in public
on many occasions.
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3:35 P.M. - 3:45 P.M.
Attorney Kvistad read aloud the first of two resolutions for
the Boards consideration.
Moved Jones / Second Mosbacher / Becker Absent /
Passed to accept Resolution as written and read clarifying
the Board of Directors findings related to adoption of a
Negative Declaration of Environmental Impact for acquisi-
tion of property as ordered by the Alpine Superior Court.
Attorney Kvistad read aloud the second resolution for
the Boards consideration.
Moved Wallace / Second Jones / Becker Absent /
Passed to accept Resolution as written and read clarifying
the Board of Directors findings related to adoption of a
Negative Declaration of Environmental Impact for acquisi-
tion of property as ordered by the Alpine Superior Court.
4:45 P.M. - Director Becker arrived at this point in the
meeting.
Robert Baer reported on the fire at the base of Heavenly
Valley near the gondola. The fire began at 12:30 p.m.
today and is spreading. The District has tanks in that
area; employees have responded and are aiding fire
fighting efforts.
4:40 P.M.
5:05 P.M.
MEETING BREAK
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR
PROPOSED PROPERTY
ACQUISITION
( continued)
GENERAL MANAGER REPORT
ADJOURNED TO CLOSED
SESSION
RECONVENED TO REGULAR
SESSION
ACTION I REPORT ON ITEM DISCUSSED DURING CLOSED SESSION
No reportable Board action.
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54957 .6( a)/Conference with
Labor Negotiators - Agency
Negotiators: Robert Baer/General
Manager, Management Committee;
Employee Organization: Inter-
national Union of Operating
Enaineers. Stationary Local 39
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No reportable Board action.
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54956.9(a) Conference with
Legal Counsel - Existing Litigation:
STPUD vs. John Breese Memford,
et. al. EI Dorado County Superior
Court Case No. SC20020030
No reportable Board action.
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54956. (a)/Conference with
Legal Counsel - Existing Litigation:
F. Heise Land & Livestock Com-
pany vs. STPUD and Does 1 - 10
Inclusive; Alpine County Superior
Court Case No. C18644
No reportable Board action.
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54956. (a)/Conference with
Legal Counsel - Existing Litigation:
F. Heise Land & Livestock Com-
pany vs. STPUD and Does 1 - 10
Inclusive; Alpine County Superior
Court Case No. C18733
No reportable Board action.
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54956(a)/Conference with
Legal Counsel - Existing Litigation:
STPUD vs. F. Heise Land & Live
Stock Company, Inc., William
Weaver, Eddie R. Snyder, Crockett
Enterprises, Inc., CIV. S-02-0238
MLS JFM United States District
Court for the Eastern District of
California. Sacramento. CA
No reportable Board action.
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54956. 9( a)/Conference
with Legal Counsel - Existing
Litigation: STPUD vs. ARCO, et. aI.,
San Francisco County Superior
Court Case No. 999128
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No reportable Board action.
No reportable Board action.
5:05 P.M.
ATTEST:
Kathy Sha
South T ah
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54956.9(a)/Conference with
Legal Counsel - Existing Litigation
re: Meyers Landfill Site: United
States of America vs. EI Dorado
County and City of South Lake
Tahoe and Third Party Defendants,
Civil Action No. S-01-1520 LKK
GGH, United States District Court
for the Eastern District of
California
Pursuant to Government Code
Section 54956.9(a)/Conference with
Legal Counsel - Existing Litigation:
STPUD vs. Lakeside Park Associa-
tion, et ai, County of EI Dorado,
Superior Court Case No.
SC20010165
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BEFORE THE SOUTH TAHOE PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRICT
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In the Matter of
ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR
PROPOSED ACQUISITION
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TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
FORMAL BOARD MEETING
Wednesday, July 3, 2002
1900 Lake Tahoe Boulevard
South Lake Tahoe, California
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Reported by:
DENISE PHIPPS, CSR #6804, RDR, CRR
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BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT
DUANE WALLACE - PRESIDENT
JAMES R. JONES
MARY LOU MOSBACHER
ERIC W. SCHAFER (Via Phone)
ROBERT G. BAER - General Manager
RICHARD SOLBRIG - Assistant Manager
RHONDA McFARLANE - CFO
GARY KVISTAD - District Counsel
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TAHOE CITY, CALIFORNIA, WEDNESDAY, JULY 3, 2002,
2:35 P.M.
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PRESIDENT WALLACE:
We're back in seSSlon.
And the item we're working on here today is Item 7-0 on
our agenda, environmental review for proposed property
acquisition. And the requested action is that the
Board take such action as necessary to clarify the
Board of Director's understanding and knowledge of
certain matters related to the Board's adoption of the
negative declaration of acquisition of the Heise
property.
And Gary, I'd like for you, if you don't
mind, to lead off and explain why we're here and what
we're doing.
And for the record, Board Members Mosbacher,
Wallace and Jones are present, with Director Schafer on
the speaker phone.
And you can hear us fine?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER:
I can hear you fine.
Thank you.
MR. KVISTAD:
All right.
You'll recall a
while ago, Heise Land and Livestock Company, I'll refer
to it as Heise, commenced an action against the
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District challenging the negative declaration that you
adopted on November 1, 2001.
There was a hearing on that matter in Alpine
Superior Court on June 10th of this year. At that
hearing the court took argument from the parties and
had some questions in reviewing the administrative
record.
One of the issues that the Court was concerned
about is whether or not the District's Board of
Directors understood where the property was located,
the Heise property -- I'll refer to it just as the
property -- was located and the size of that property,
the location of the school district and its property in
relation to the property, and the location of
properties around the school district property in so
much as it relates to the ability of the school
district to expand.
The codrt, in looking at the administrative
record, in its mind wasn't clear whether it could tell
from the record these things. And so what the court
did was continue that hearing until July 29th of this
year and ordered it back to the Board to clarify the
Board's prior findings that you made when you adopted
the negative declaration with respect to these matters
to confirm your understanding and knowledge so that the
court can then know that you did understand these three
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items, and the three items again are the size and
location of the Heise property, the size and location
of the school district property, and the surrounding
properties around the school.
The judge was particularly interested in
knowing that you knew and understood those
relationships.
We discussed at that hearing, at quite a bit
of length, the history that the Board had with Alpine
County, with your operations in Alpine County, which
have gone on since the, geez, I don't know, 30, 40
years. And then the development of a master plan,
looking at acquiring, by negotiation, the Heise
property.
But the judge was -- that was really all
outside the administrative record. He really couldn't
consider that. So he ordered that it come back here
for clarification by their power, by the court's power
to order that.
So that's why we're here today.
It's
just to clarify your understanding of these items. And
what we've got today to help walk through some of the
things that we've done over the last, over probably
close to about the last year, both in negotiations with
the Heise property and with the master plan that all
deal with different instances where we have discussed
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the properties and the school.
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What we want to do is
get your concurrence that, yes, you've seen those
things, you understood them; you understood where the
school was, where the property was, the size of the
school and of the property and what was available
around it.
that.
And we'll also -- Hal Bird will do most of
He's gone through and selected certain meetings
and stuff to reference where you were in attendance.
We brought several of the exhibits we've used over the
months, and not all of them, but some of them, to just
refresh your recollection so you can see what you were
looking at and want some confirmation from you that
those are things you had observed and had seen and
understood.
We'll also talk a little bit about the
hearing on November 1st and some of the discussion that
occurred at that meeting, particularly with respect to
the school property.
After we run through all that and confirm
your understanding and knowledge concerning these
items, what I'll do is propose a resolution based on
the presentation today for adoption by the Board.
And what I'm anticipating doing is doing it
in two parts or two resolutions. One resolution will
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just be a confirmation as to the finding that you
understood all these relationships. And the second one
would be a reference to an exhibit that will confirm
your understanding of the relationships of the property
slzes as you understood them to be on November 1st,
2001.
And then what I'd ask you to do lS to stay
focused on the issues here. The only thing we're going
to do today is confirm your understanding and to
clarify this point for the court so that we can go back
to court on the 29th with these two resolutions and so
the judge can then be certain that you did understand
that that's the case, these various items dealing with
the property, the school and the surrounding
properties.
We have -- since Director Schafer lS not
here, we had a couple of the exhibits, particularly the
ones we're going to use to attach to the resolutions
delivered to him so he will have those in front of him.
The other ones, I know we've talked, and there are a
number of items that he's seen. He mayor may not be
able to reference, know exactly which one we're talking
about. If he knows exactly which one we're talking
about, that's great. Other ones he may not. We should
just be clear that the ones he does recall that he can
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respond affirmatively to and say yes, I remember that
and I saw that. If he didn't, he then says I don't
recall because I can't see it right now.
The other things weIll talk a little bit
about are the site visits that you as the Board have
taken over Alpine County, some of the things you've
seen over there. And I know Director Schafer was also
given at least one individual tour as well.
So we'll
be going through some of that -- it will take a little
while for Hal to walk through all these items, but it's
important to lay that foundation. I want the court to
be absolutely certain that you have seen enough, you've
been involved enough in Alpine County and with your
operations there and, in particular, with the master
plan and the real property negotiations with the Heise
property.
There's also been, as you know, a number of
items discussed in closed session dealing with the
Heise property and acquisition.
But we can't go into
those without breaking the privilege.
So I'm not going
to go into those particular items in detail. I think
the other -- we'll go through the real property
negotiations, some of the things that we did outside of
the closed session, or it will be more than sufficient
to lay the foundation that you have a very good working
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knowledge of that property.
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But that will be for you
to determine when we go through these different things.
So with that what I'd like to do is turn it
over to Hal Bird and have him start through some of the
chronology. He'll talk about some of the exhibits when
he's going through that, show you those. And then when
he gets through, if there's other ones we haven't
specifically tied to a particular meeting, he may have
a few that he just wants to run by you and make sure
you did see those and he'll also describe some of the
things that are on that map.
So with that, I'll turn it over to Hal.
MR. BIRD:
It will take me a second to set
some of this stuff up.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: It would help to have the
speaker stand a little closer to the phone or get the
phone closer to the speakers, if you can arrange that
In any way.
MR. BIRD:
As you're well aware, we have an
amazing amount of information on both the Heise
property and our master plan, which includes the Heise
property.
It's kind of interesting for myself to go
back and take a look at how long we've been doing this.
And I will ask you to acknowledge that you
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were at different things if you were.
19th of the year 2000 was our famous
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But back in July
-- we built the
little deck out there in the pasture and Dennis brought
his motor home down and we cooked you a steak dinner
and started talking about development of a master plan
and some of the future options for planned application
in the area.
And In my recollection, Mary Lou, you were
there.
Duane and Jim.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
I was not there.
It's
the only meeting I missed, but I caught up on it.
DIRECTOR JONES: I think several weeks later
you took the two of us and gave us the same tour.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
What happened is I
missed that meeting and then you and I and -- you
scheduled a personal tour for Jim Jones and I and we
spent the day in Alpine County. It was about a week
later. And we drove the property lines as best we
could and toured the facilities. So we got the VIP
tour.
We didn't get the steak sandwich.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
And I was there.
And I
remember the deck is really lovely. And Dennis did a
great job cooking for us. I loved the luncheon, and it
was very warm.
MR. BIRD:
These are the fun things of
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trying to go back a couple of years.
I do have in my records that on November 1st
of 2000 I contacted Clarence Burr, because in October
of that year we had heard that the ranch was for sale.
He had offered it to Mr. Bentley. And so we made a
contact. I called him, and he asked that we have our
attorney contact his attorney.
So on November 8th, Gary contacted Dave
Robertson's office and asked about the sale.
What's important about this is just shortly
after that, on November 16th of 2000, is when we put on
executive session the purchase of the Heise property.
So we've actually been talking about that every two
weeks in executive session on and off for a long, long
time.
Just for the record, sometimes it feels to
me that I'm insulting your intelligence when I have to
take you back through all of what we've given you.
But the district is really set up into three
parts in our waste water: We have a collection system.
We have a treatment system and we have a recycled water
system. And so as you're well aware, recycled, getting
rid of the recycled water is a very intricate part of
the district. Another part that was going on at this
time when we were doing the Heise negotiations and
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looking at the Heise property was we were having a
Board election. And it became very obvious that that
was where we were going to spend lots of money and
people were looking at that issue. So I'm aware that
the Board took that very seriously.
We also have individual Board members that
spend a lot of time in Alpine County and took it very
seriously.
As I said, November 16th we started talking
about it, in 2000. December 7th, the Board ordered the
contract for master plan to Kennedy/Jenks. And just
prior to that December 7th meeting we had interviews.
And correct me if I'm wrong, Eric, but I think you sat
in on that interview process before you were a Board
member.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER:
That is correct.
I was
in on the Kennedy/Jenks proposal/presentation.
MR. BIRD: Because what I was trying to show
is we've had Board members that have taken an interest
in some of the Heise information because it was a big
part of the district prior to them even coming on the
Board.
We'll see later that even Cathie Becker was
involved.
On February 8th, Gary submitted an offer to
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David Robertson's office regarding the Heise property.
So that had been gone through in executive session. We
talked about March 6 -- we're up to 2001 now -- I
toured Eric Schafer and Bob Baer, because Eric was now
our new Board member, of the Alpine County facilities.
I explained the Heise property and what we were doing
and what we were looking at in purchasing. Being such
a large dollar item, we spent quite a bit of time.
In May of 2001 --
MR. KVISTAD: Get Eric to confirm that, that
he recalls that.
MR. BIRD:
Eric, do you remember a tour In
Alpine County?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER:
Absolutely.
I remember
we even met with Supervisor Gansburg at his home that
day.
also.
And that was certainly a part of the discussion
MR. BIRD:
You're bringing recollections
back to me.
Thank you.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: My first tour was in
1991, right after being elected. So I think I took
almost one a year since then. So I know the property
pretty well myself.
MR. BIRD:
We give so many tours, it's
sometimes hard.
We've written them down, a lot of
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them, to keep track.
On May 4th, 2000, the planning, started the
planning committee meetings, started having quite a few
of those.
The way that was working, we were working
with the planning committee.
Then we presented to the
planning committee, we would present things to the
Board and present them to Alpine County, if you can
remember that.
We had a planning committee meeting on May
We spent from 9:00 until noon. If you remember
16th.
all of the little agendas that I gave you and took up
half of your day, that we would meet out in the Tahoe
Paradise field office and have presentations by myself
and Kennedy/Jenks and later on Parsons.
I see a lot of nodding heads, so I'm going
to --
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: That's correct.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: I always liked those
meetings at the Tahoe Paradise field office because it
was a five-minute drive for me.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
I was there, and I
remember we had various options before us and maps.
DIRECTOR JONES:
And I also remember all
those meetings.
MR. BIRD:
There's numerous of them.
I'll
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continue as we go along.
But what we would do is we
would present something to you and then we would
present it to the Alpine County Contract Commission,
because we were trying to work well with Alpine County.
June 8th we presented to Alpine County
Contract Commission. July 2nd of 2001 we again had a
nine to noon Board presentation and discussion. July
2nd, that afternoon, we went down to Alpine County and
presented more information to Alpine County. Mary Lou
attended many of those meetings.
On August 1st, 2001, there was a Board
workshop from 9:00 to noon. August 7th, again an
Alpine County Contract Commission.
August 9th of 2001,
there was a special board meeting regarding the Heise
property negotiations.
August 15th we had the open house in Tahoe
from 4:30 to 6:00.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
I attended that.
MR. BIRD: I think the majority of the Board
did and some of the people that were running for the
Board.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Yes, I was there.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: I was also there.
DIRECTOR JONES: And I think I was there. I
remember I missed some of them, but I don't remember
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which ones.
MR. BIRD: The way I related those meetings
is what food items we had. We had hors d'oeuvres here
in the City Council Chambers.
DIRECTOR JONES:
MR. BIRD: Some
That rings a bell.
we had good food and
some we
had bad.
But the interesting one was the next
one in
August of 21st we decided to have a big Alpine County
meeting. It was from 3:00 to 7:00. We had catered
barbecue by Decatur Hatch. They cooked chicken and
ribs and drinks, and we did it up. We served 150
dinners, per Hatch. And we had quite a turn-out in
Alpine County. We had people from the school district
there. We had Board of Supervisors there and we had
lots of public.
So if you could tell me if you were there
and --
DIRECTOR JONES:
That's one I'm pretty sure
I missed.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
I missed that one, but I
saw the presentation materials before it happened.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: And of course I was
there and I had my husband with me. And since we're
friends with a lot of the people in Alpine County and
the Markleeville area, it was very nice. We had a lot
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to eat and we could sit and talk.
I remembered I
talked with the superintendent of schools, several
other people that I know, families that we know. We're
good friends with the Nagels, who is a sheriff in the
communi ty. So all those people were around. And it
was a real communal afternoon for me because of all the
folks I knew and plus all the displays and the maps we
had and the consultants who were explaining them all to
the people and even helped me understand even better
some of the things that I had questions about.
MR. BIRD: Eric, did you attend that?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: I did attend that. I
remember there being, in addition to everything else, a
number of department heads from Alpine County there,
too.
MR. BIRD: Correct. The way that was set up
it was an open house format that people could go within
different areas of the facility and talk with
Kennedy/Jenks representatives. They could explain
environmental issues and any impact issues. We also
had Parsons, which was doing our EIR. They were there
to explain any environmental things that people wanted
us to look at. And it was just a prelude to try to get
the public's input.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
My experience at the
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ones I attended where people who had various ranches
there, they would seek a Board member out and point
their ranch out and say this is my ranch in the line-up
of the ranches that are served by the treated waste
water. So you got to know who was in what order and
when they came on line with the district and whether
they were the original or the down-line holder of that
ability to receive the water.
MR. BIRD: On August 22nd we again had a
nine to noon Board workshop. And then that afternoon,
from 4:00 to 7:00, we had an open house in Douglas
County at the Carson Valley Inn. And we repeated the
same process we had done at the two other meetings
where we had an open format and had presentation, maps,
photos of the sites.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: You know that my
husband and I again attended. In fact, we went to
dinner afterwards with you.
MR. BIRD: Yes.
DIRECTOR JONES:
I was at the morning
session, I believe, but I didn't make it down to
Douglas County.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
I believe the same for
me.
MR. BIRD:
Eric?
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DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Yes, I was there.
MR. BIRD: And on September 17th, again we
had now public meetings by Parsons on the EIR, on
environmental issues they presented going from 4:30 to
6:00 here at the City Council Chambers. Then again on
September 18th we had another open house for them to
present from 4:00 to 7:00 at Harvey Place Reservoir.
And the Alpine County meetings, if I haven't
said, have been held at 2595 Diamond Valley Road. You
have to enter in through the Heise property to this
shop area that's at the reservoir.
Then on October 19th, 2001, we had again
another Board workshop. Looks like we were keeping you
guys busy. Again nine to noon. The way I remember
those is we pretty much had you from nine to noon. We
never got out of there early. And we presented a
variety of items where we were gOlng to give
alternatives and different things to Alpine County.
On October 25th we presented these to Alpine
County Contract Commission, and Mary Lou and Chris
Strohm were present for that meeting. And Jenks did a
presentation.
At the October 25th meeting in Alpine County
at the Contract Commission, per their agenda, the
discussion was on the possible action regarding South
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Tahoe Public Utility District's Notice of Intent to
Adopt a Negative Declaration for Acquisition of the
Heise Ranch. It also listed, it was the acreage and
where the property was located.
I'll go through some of the maps. I could
have brought a truckload, as you're probably aware.
And we'll go through a little history of how
we developed the maps and why we've developed them, and
in most cases you've seen these a variety of times.
The main part, for the record, is because we've been
talking about it for so long, you've seen these time
and time again, but we originally developed maps on,
quad maps on the topos. And it was a topo-based map.
We have one here in front of me, that's the South
Carson Valley property ownership of Alpine County and
Douglas County, Nevada. And on top of this topo we
would put the rivers, the streams, the effluent
ditches, the fresh water ditches, the fresh water
lakes, the effluent reservoir, our major pipelines.
The primary roads in both Alpine and Douglas County,
the secondary roads.
The unpaved roads: We have the California
state line.
And then we have, in different colors,
located, and shading, we have the different ownerships.
We have Bentley property, the Brooke property, Burns,
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Burr, which is Heise Land and Livestock.
CVO property,
the Gansburg property, Nedrip, the South Tahoe Public
Utility District property, and the River Inn
subdivision.
Also on this map, it shows the Diamond
Valley School location, and it's spelled out Diamond
Valley school.
It shows Snowshoe Thompson Historical
Monument.
Again, it's spelled out.
It goes on to show
where the Woodfords tribal community is.
Here it's
listed as the Washoe Indian Reservation.
And we've put
this on a map that's from the -- the bottom of it is
from Indian Creek Reservoir and goes all the way up to,
I'm going to say to the Ranchos in Nevada.
But the Heise property is approximately, I
don't know, eight inches across here, four inches wide
and very detailed.
It also has labeled on it Diamond
Valley Road and it shows you how it intersects the
property.
Have you all been aware of these kind of
maps and seen these?
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
I think thos~ are Clint
Selio's maps, aren't they?
MR. BIRD:
Correct.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
I'm really impressed by
his maps.
They're very good maps.
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PRESIDENT WALLACE: These were made by
Noman, Incorporated and later on we moved to a more
detailed map which was made by Kennedy/Jenks.
DIRECTOR JONES:
I'm aware of that.
In
fact, I have a copy of one that's similar to that
hanging In my office for the last year or so.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
I'm well aware of the
map, as well as the others I see stacked behind there.
MR. BIRD:
We'll go through these for the
record. A map that I didn't bring because it's a
pretty large map, it used to hang in Bob Baer's office,
it's a relief map. It's about four feet by eight feet
and about a foot thick. Shows all the topography. I
think you're all aware of that.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: That was the map that
made me very nervous because it's such a big relief map
that I was afraid it was going to fall on his desk and
hurt him.
MR. BIRD:
We have that in my shop and
Alpine County and we use that in the presentations to
the public at these open houses in Alpine County, along
with these other maps.
This is again a Noman, Incorporated map.
The same setup with a topo, the roads, the streams, the
lakes, reservoirs. And all we've done here is go into
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more detail and more shading and we've listed the
Bureau of Indian Affairs land, U.S. Forest Service
land, Bureau of Land Management land, Alpine County
lands, state of California lands.
So we're getting
more and more detailed and again still showing around
the Heise property the Diamond Valley School. We show
the pit where they're taking out DG on the Heise
property.
monument.
We show Snowshoe Thompson's historical
It's all labeled, the ditches, everything is
on here and in good shape.
these at other areas?
And, again, you've seen
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Yes.
MR. BIRD: Then we move up to May.
May 2001
we flew aerial photography of the valley. We flew,
starting in Nevada up through the valley to Indian
Creek Reservoir, including Diamond Valley. And then we
flew up the canyon from Woodfords to the east fork of
the Carson River and up past Woodfords to Hope Valley.
But we have excellent aerial photography.
It's new so that we can see what was here.
We've taken
on this map, this map is -- let's see -- Assessor's
Parcel Map Alpine County, California. It's by
Kennedy/Jenks. And, let's see, it says August of 2001
was the date. And this is a map -- we produced quite a
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few of these. This is the date when this was produced,
where we've overlaid all the property lines and given
parcel numbers to the properties. And where, like I
say, we've overlaid the property from the state line to
Indian Creek Reservoir. It includes the Diamond Valley
property, the Heise Land and Livestock. It includes
the school's property. As you can well see the school
is very visible in the photograph. It includes all the
properties around the school.
Here there's actually big, dark blue lines
to show where they exist. And we correspond most of
the other areas so we know where our property is and
Heise and everybody else.
FROM THE AUDIENCE: Excuse me. Can I say
something? My name is Stacey Mareea (phonetic) and
Clarence. asked me to come. He couldn't be here today.
Basically he wants to know why these maps -- why these
maps weren't shown at the previous meeting, why they're
being shown now?
MR. BIRD:
We've shown these at numerous
meetings. This is what we're clarifying. These have
been out probably so many times, that's why they're
kind of bent.
FROM THE AUDIENCE:
These maps have been
shown?
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MR. BIRD:
Yes.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: We have smaller copies
in color, living color. I have a whole file of them.
FROM THE AUDIENCE: He just wanted me to
make sure they were the same maps that were shown at
the prior meeting.
MR. BIRD:
Yes, they've been shown so many
times, I'm sick of showing them.
keep them in my truck.
I probably should
FROM THE AUDIENCE:
I'm just
Thank you.
here for him. He just wants me to --
MR. BIRD: To give you an example, this is
our tour map. When you go on the little truck tours,
we pullout a map and this is the actual size that we
hand everybody, because it's just a blowup of what we
do. And it happens to include the Heise Land and
Livestock land because that's what we end up talking
about the majority of the time, because this is a huge
part of what we're doing.
So this one is again the South Carson Valley
property ownership map, Alpine County and Douglas
County, Nevada. It's just the bottom half of it that
we've enlarged. And that's the tour map.
Again, these have been at all the open
houses, all the public meetings, all the Board
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workshops.
MR. KVISTAD:
Are you going to go through
those now?
MR. BIRD:
Yes.
So I don't have to keep totally repeating
myself, but I did want to bring up, at the workshops
and the open houses, we had a variety, out In my
I can't
truck -- I still have a truckload of stuff.
show it all.
We had photographs. These were produced by
Parsons, and Kennedy/Jenks had their own. These were
produced by Parsons which we hired to do our EIR.
I thought this was a great one to bring. It
was displayed at all the open houses.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: I remember.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: I remember it.
DIRECTOR JONES: Yes.
MR. BIRD: So everybody has seen it.
But what is interesting about it is it's
called Land Resource Issues for Master Plan. Under
land use, it says we're talking about zoning and land
use conflicts, possible issues that we've considered.
And the two photos that they're using, and we didn't
pick the photos, this is Judge Bradford's house. This
is the Diamond Valley School. And under historic and
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archeological resources that we were looking at,
historic sites, this is the Snowshoe Thompson monument.
So we're very aware what we're looking at in the area.
I can't go in
MR. KVISTAD:
That was at the public
workshops?
MR. BIRD:
These were at all the public
meetings.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
Every time you walked
in you saw those.
MR. KVISTAD:
I just wanted to make sure
everyone saw those.
DIRECTOR JONES:
Sure.
I saw that and
others.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
I recognize and remember
seeing it at one or two, if not all, of the workshops
that I attended.
MR. BIRD:
Then we went into these larger
maps.
Before I get into those.
I ran around, I stole
this off of Bob Baer's wall on the way over here. So
he's got a blank spot right now. But in his office,
every time you've been in his office, we have this map.
We're so proud of these maps, we have maps allover the
place. This is a map, an aerial photo.
MR. KVISTAD: Let me hold it and you can
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point.
MR. BIRD:
It's SlX foot high and three feet
wide.
It's a large map.
I measured from his desk, his
little conference table, it's only four feet from the
conference table.
So it's pretty hard to miss.
Again, we have, from into Nevada just past
the state line, this looks like Foothill Road,
Fairview, down to the bottom of Indian Creek Reservoir.
We have mapped out and put the parcel lines so you can
see the various properties. You can see the photos of
the school. You can see Diamond Valley Road. The
Heise property is, I'm going to say, a foot and a half
wide by eight, ten inches thick. It's very visible.
It's been sitting in his office since the first day
they flew the map.
So shortly after May, when we printed them,
that's been in his office. He had one before I had
one.
On here where the school is, again they have
the parcel lines not only showing the Diamond Valley
School, but the properties around it and the properties
that we've owned.
MR. KVISTAD:
Does everyone, has everyone
been in Bob's office before?
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
Yes, numerous times.
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DIRECTOR JONES: Yes.
MR. BIRD: Eric, do you remember seeing that
map on Bob's wall?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Absolutely. We had a
couple of planning committee meetings in that office.
And it was used as a reference point when we were doing
that.
MR. BIRD: I know you guys are in and out of
his office on a continual basis. It's a hard thing to
miss. I'm pretty proud because he doesn't have photos
of other things, he has photos of Alpine County stuff.
So I'm real proud of that.
Assessor parcel maps:
We've had assessor
parcel maps. And I've got one in front of me here that
we highlighted in two different colors that we talked
about the difference between the jungle and the bottom
land on the Heise property. That was how Heise Land
and Livestock was referring to it.
It seemed a
little -- what's the jungle versus what is the bottom
land? And we took and color-coded those maps, we gave
them to all of you and we had a big discussion. And I
can't go into a whole lot of detail because a lot of
the discussions were held in executive session. But do
you remember --
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
I have a copy of that
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in my file.
MR. BIRD: Mary Lou still has hers.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: I remember it well,
because of the -- the main reason I remember it is
because the discussions regarding how much property we
needed and the two sections that his property was being
considered in.
DIRECTOR JONES: I don't specifically
remember that map, but I remember some others that
showed that.
parcel map.
But I don't remember the assessor's
MR. BIRD:
The other thing that we had to do
in evaluating Heise Land and Livestock was water
rights. We had, must be, ten maps on water rights.
But I grabbed this one because it showed, it was a
blow-up, again, of the Heise Land and Livestock. And,
like I said, I could have brought a truckload.
But this map is development of trying to
show what claim numbers of water rights went to the
various pieces of property.
Again, we have the Heise
property outlined in red here. This map is showing the
Diamond Valley School, very large, depicted on the map
where Heise is in relationship to it. Again, it has
Snowshoe Thompson memorial highlighted and where the
reservoir is. And this map is just a blow-up of the
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section from Woodfords area to the end of the Heise
property. So it's a pretty detailed map.
And this goes to the multitude of water
rights maps we had. We mainly showed those in
executive session because they were confidential except
when you probably received -- you've seen them again in
the appraisal that they did for Integrated Water
Resources. They had our confidential map in their
appraisal and I know we talked about that.
They also, when we gave you the appraisals,
both our appraisal and the appraisal from Integrated
Water Resources for the Heise property, it says of the
Heise Ranch located on both sides of Diamond Valley
Road. They have maps of the area showing the school,
showing this map on this side, I'm going to come a
little closer, has the school very well highlighted in
their appraisal.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
Yes, I remember getting
the report and reading it and seeing the map.
MR. BIRD: And there's a color version of
our confidential water rights map also in their
appraisal.
I know I'm probably boring you with this
since you've heard it for a year and a half.
The Heise initial study: This was the
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acquisition of the property. There's a couple of maps
in here. One is a general vicinity map, showing where
we are in relationship to things.
And this map
MR. KVISTAD:
he's talking about.
I'll hand you a copy of what
MR. BIRD:
Eric, do you have this property
site map, the color map?
you?
Dennis has delivered it to
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Yes, I do.
MR. BIRD: This was a map in the initial
study. It says Heise Property Acquisition Initial
Study October 5th, 2001. And highlighted in green is
the Heise property.
And we also on that map have the reservoirs
and the rivers and the major roads, just to clarify.
And before you decided to spend all this
money, you asked us to prepare a small little document:
Appraisal. It'll give you a hernia. It's a couple
inches thick. And there's also an attachment to this.
It's prepared by Johnson Perkins. And it's the
appraisal of the Heise Land and Livestock property
located on both sides of Diamond Valley Road and Alpine
County, California. It's owned and it's appraised for
us and owned by Heise Land and Livestock.
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In this appraisal -- and you all looked at
the appraisal. I'm sure you wanted to look at those
numbers.
So just for confirmation, you've all seen the
appraisal?
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: Absolutely.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Yes.
Eric, do you remember seeing the appraisal?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Oh, absolutely.
MR. BIRD: In the appraisal, on page 27, 28,
29 are maps of the Heise Land and Livestock property,
also showing the lands around the parcels that border
the property.
On page 28 it has the map and it shows, and
it spells out Diamond Valley School. And it shows the
location. It shows Diamond Valley Road and it shows
the Snowshoe Thompson monument. Again, the property is
broken into parcels, and they're all listed with parcel
numbers.
Then page 29 is without the parcels in it.
Just a giant line showing the outskirts of the entire
property and again showing Diamond Valley Road, Diamond
Valley School, where Woodfords is. And this map is
again one that you've seen time and time again.
I brought some things because they're
represented. They keep popping up in one or more
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documents.
Eric, we sent you some large color maps.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Correct.
MR. BIRD: They say Alternative Band
Alternative C, Alternative A.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Yes.
MR. BIRD: I'll start with the one that says
Indian Creek Reservoir Improvements. Again, these were
presented in open houses and Alpine County Contract
Commissions and they've been hanging everywhere. And
on this map, this one is -- it has, in orange, the
Heise Land and Livestock property outlined. The light
orange and the darker orange color is the South Tahoe
PUD property outlined. And it talks about what we
would -- this was the demonstration of what we wanted
to do with improvements to Indian Creek Reservoir.
It also again has the roads, the major
roads, has the major ditches both, Snowshoe Thompson,
number one, the village ditch.
It's
Snowshoe, two.
laid over the aerial photograph, so it's very detailed.
And the school property is very distinguished in the
photographs around where the property lines show.
Again, we ran through these alternatives.
I'll go through base alternatives so they stay in
somewhat order. We did the same photograph, the same
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photograph, the same size. I'm going to guess that
these maps, just so the record knows, they're four foot
tall and two and a half feet wide. Is that a good
guess?
maps.
They're large maps. They're very visible
On this map what we've done in the base
alternative lS we're referring to Heise Land and
Livestock. And we've put on there their water rights,
where we could apply wetlands. Again, it's outlined in
light orange. Our property is in darker orange. It
talks about possible repair and habitat improvements on
the Heise property. It talks about wetlands, rapid
infiltration on the Heise property and how that all
ties together. It has a big sign here that says land
purchase Heise property. So it was obvious that's what
we were talking about.
public.
Not only to you but to the
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
And we have copies,
foldout copies in the booklets of these maps.
MR. BIRD: Correct. That's what Eric's
looking at right now. They're 11 by 17 copies that
went, photo grade quality copies that went into your
packets along with these being presented for view in
the public.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER:
Correct.
Very detailed,
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the score card on them, all that good stuff.
MR. BIRD:
Alternative A.
Existing Alpine
County operations.
Again, the same sized photo. And again we
depict the Heise property. Our property. The same
colors. This one we talk about a 340-acre emergency
storage facility, impoundment facility on the Heise
property. We talk about preparing habitat improvements
on the Heise property. We've talked about permitting
additional lands for application of recycled water on
the Heise property.
Next to this again, in this photo, you can
see where the school is in relationship to the Heise
property. It's very obvious that the school property
and the Heise property do not touch.
Again, in other ones we actually have
property lines showing. This one again says "Land
Purchase, Heise Property."
So that's three.
I've got two more.
Alternative B: Again, same sized map. Large, high
quality. These are all done on photo grade quality
paper so we could see the detail.
It again talks about all the things we want
to do on the Heise property. Heise pasture irrigated
with West Fork water or recycled water.
Land purchase:
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Heise property.
Future expansion area:
Infiltration
basins or wetlands, agaln on the Heise property. I
know I'm probably boring you to death with this, but
one more time just for the judge, we'll clarify you've
seen this or tell me you have seen it once or ten
time s, I don't know.
DIRECTOR JONES:
I've seen those and I
remember that's the first I had seen the score card in
the process of trying to evaluate it and give some
value to all of the alternatives.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
Absolutely.
I've seen
them many times. And besides being there almost every
weekend fishing in the summer, we've had to pay
attention because there were a lot of dollars involved.
So I know these maps probably better than any maps I
know of.
MR. BIRD:
We've inundated you with these
maps.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
I have seen them, I
don't know, tens of times.
And I can walk to them in
my office.
right now.
I have them in a file in my own office
MR. BIRD: The other thing, just for
clarity, is it obvious to you that the school property
is not next to, bordering the Heise property, according
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to these maps?
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
Sure.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Yes.
DIRECTOR JONES: Yes.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Yes. Yes, I've seen
these maps many times. In fact, I carried the main map
and reservoir improvements around In my car until the
end of tax season, cleared things out.
MR. BIRD: And then alternative C, the map
that says Recycled Water Application to East Side and
Nevada, again same sized map, same photograph, aerial
photograph of the entire area. Same colored
designations for Heise and the district property. And
the reason I'm talking about color designations for
Heise and the district property, in most of the maps
those are the ones we're designating. That's all we're
designating.
So, again, it talks about land purchase of
the Heise property, remaining additional lands,
wetlands possibilities, 340 acres of impoundment
facilities for emergency storage, all again related to
the Heise property.
And we have other maps I can show you, but I
think we're getting repetitive.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
Yeah.
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Like I said, I grabbed these and
I had others to select from.
A lot of these maps are used not only here
but they're in smaller versions, bigger versions. But
these were the ones that were carried to all the open
houses. That's why they're mounted.
So I think that pretty much concludes what I
needed to say. I think Gary would like to say some
words. And thank you for your time.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Thank you.
Why don't we take a break now. Then we'll
come back.
(Recess taken.)
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
I'm going to reopen the
hearing.
It's now been reopened.
Gary, would you please proceed.
MR. KVISTAD: Hal has just shown you some of
the information and asked your acknowledgment as to
your knowledge having seen these maps numerous times.
The other thing I wanted to go over was on
the November 1st Board meeting, the item for adoption
of the negative declaration for acquisition of the
Heise property, portions of that transcript dealt with
discussion regarding the school property, because there
was a presentation made by Mr. Robertson as to his
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understanding of where things were that he represented
to you that were later then clarified by Mr. Leonard
Turnbeaugh with Alpine County, and also with Matt
Setty. And I wanted to run past that to make sure you
were clear after that discussion where the school was,
what was around the school and who owned the
properties, whether they're private or public
ownership. Because that's one of the issues we're
dealing with.
And I'll read one excerpt here from
Mr. Robertson's statements.
It says:
"The three problems are as follows: The
first is, was identified by the school district.
We adopted the comments with respect to
acquisition of land by the local Child Care
Planning Council. You may not be aware of this,
but the school, the Diamond Valley School, lS
effectively, or would become effectively
landlocked by this acquisition. The District
previously acquired all the property to the
south of the school through my other client,
Mr. Schwake. The property I believe to the west
of the school belongs to the Indians and likely
could be condemned -- could not be condemned by
the school district.
The majority of the
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remaining property contiguous to the school
would be taken by this acquisition."
Basically Mr. Robertson is saying there's no
private land around the schools, what he's portraying
to you.
Continuing, he says:
"Acquire property just as well South Tahoe
PUD, however what is left out is that the school
district may not be able to acquire the Heise
property in the future. Analysis of need, and
if could very well be that of the district would
be, at that point in time, perhaps already have
its facilities in place and try to take the
position that the school district could not
condemn any property as a result. So the
initial study fails to take into account, and
also fails to take into account if there is
other property that, perhaps not contiguous to
the school district, that could be condemned by
the school district."
Later on in the transcript Mr. Robertson
says.
"I think this is easiest drawn. The
easiest way would be to just indicate. "
If you recall, this is where he was drawing
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on the white board.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER:
Correct.
MR. KVISTAD:
"Here's the highway and
I believe this is Indian
here's the school.
land here.
This is the district's land here
from prior acquisitions.
All of this land
across the street is land you are talking about
acquiring now. Also land here. So where the
school district could have expanded from private
interests, perhaps this way or even across the
street, if it -- if another entity owns them,
another state entity or another public entity,
the school may not be able to expand. They may
not have..."
Then he stops.
And then Mr. Jones says:
"When you say landlocked, I was thinking of
something, you know.
And Mr. Robertson says: "I meant
landlocked by eminent domain."
Later in the transcript, Ms. Mosbacher asked
Mr. Turnbeaugh if he knows the size of the school
district property.
Mr. Turnbeaugh says:
"I'm starting to let little details like
that slip some, but I could guesstimate it
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around ten acres or so.
There is another
property about eight acres to the east of it
that is zoned, it's supposed to be owned by
Fowler and there's another 60 acres."
Then it goes on. "There's another roughly
60 acres further east that comes and contacts
their property and the school property which is
about 60 acres, talking about some property you
required. I believe you left 20 acres, Schwake,
and I think that contacts the school. The
property to the west is Indian trust land."
Ms. Mosbacher says: "There's really three
parcels that look like, that touch the school
that are private?
And Mr. Turnbeaugh says: "Across the road
there's already in progress a small development.
Working from memory, I don't remember Heise Land
and Livestock property being contiguous to the
school property."
Mr. Robertson had said all the land across
the street from the school was Heise property. And
Leonard here is clarifying that there's some small
subdivision across the Diamond Valley Road that is in
private ownership, several houses.
Leonard later on says, and this is where he
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introduces himself:
"I'm Leonard Turnbeaugh, Director of
Public Works for Alpine County. Please bear in
mind that's not to scale."
And here Leonard is back up at the map that
Mr. Robertson had drawn on the white board, is making
some corrections to it, the way he believes things are
laid out.
And he says:
"Please bear in mind that's not to scale.
This is north here.
This is the section or
quarter line running through here.
This is
Diamond -- approximately Diamond Valley Road
here. What we have, this is school property.
And here, this road comes around, it's called
Hawkside road. Comes in and turns. They have--
their bus forms down there, the road turns and
goes over this way and back into the Schwake
property. Now they have this area owned by
Fowler, this area Cal Abel. We looked at one
time of a road possibly hooking back around and
coming out here. My line is a little off. It
isn't as quite this narrow on Diamond Valley
than what I have drawn here. This Fowler piece
is about 8 acres.
That makes it, you know, the
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school probably in the 10 acres standpoint or
so. Across the road is a little four-lot
subdivision that sits in here roughly like this.
There's another little piece of land which I
believe was sold by Heise Land and Livestock to
John Ellis years ago."
Then Mr. Jones later on asks:
"So the land isn't landlocked?"
Mr. Turnbeaugh said:
lands around."
Later on Mr. Setty confirms some matters
"There's other
that were brought up by Mr. Turnbeaugh regarding the
size of the property. He had called his office, if you
recall, and he had corne back in and was giving you
information that was taken directly off of the Alpine
County Assessor plat maps. And what Mr. Setty said was
as follows:
"A couple of points of clarification on
whether or not the school is landlocked.
Property directly to the east of the school
district property, which is Book 1, Page 8,
Parcel 42 is owned by Mr. Abel. 50 acres
non-BIA owned. Parcel No. 41, which is to the
north of the school property, is eight acres,
which is owned by Mr. Bradshaw, non-BIA.
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Parcel 39 west of the school, another 80
acres, also non-BIA."
So what he was pointing out to you, you
recall, was that there were several properties around
the school district that were non-BIA lands, in other
words, private lands, that could be available for
acquisition either by negotiation or eminent domain to
the district.
And what I wanted to do was confirm that
you recall those things being discussed from as I read
from this transcript. Your understanding --
PRESIDENT WALLACE: What the transcript
doesn't show is that Mary Lou at the time was shaking
her head when Mr. Robertson was putting up his map,
because we know doggone well, we know that
especially Mary Lou knows that area well enough to know
that his map was not correct enough to be able to
challenge his assertions.
And it was clear, especially -- and we
certainly trusted Mr. Turnbeaugh more since he's there
daily, that there were properties available. It was
very clear. And the reason why it's clear in my mind
is because it was a contentious issue and we were all
paYlng very good attention.
DIRECTOR JONES:
And the reason I asked him
about it, his assertion that it was landlocked, is that
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I was pretty sure it wasn't, and I wanted to get that
on the record and make sure that we knew exactly what
was there.
MR. KVISTAD: So after you heard from
Mr. Turnbeaugh and Mr. Setty, it was your understanding
that it was or was not landlocked?
DIRECTOR JONES:
From everything else, it
verified my feeling that it was not landlocked.
MR. KVISTAD: That there were other
properties available for acquisition by the school
district?
DIRECTOR JONES: Yes.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: Let me just say that in
1976 I started going over to that area socially because
I was a good friend of a lady called Ellie O'Toole, who
I believe her house is considered still in the
Woodfords area, though it's north of 88. And her
brother, Sheriff Tom Nagel, is a good friend of mine.
And a man who owns property in that general area, Tim
Pemberton, went to school with my children. The
neighbor that I have right now owns land abutting the
former Schwake property, the Baginski family, and so
I'm used to going in that area.
I had a very good friend who taught school
at the Diamond Valley Sc~ool and in fact invited me,
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and I gave some workshops for the children in that
school and was invited by the principal to have lunch
with the children one of the days I gave a workshop.
So I was used to going over in there and I know the
area fairly well.
In addition to that, after the purchase of
the Schwake property, Hal Bird and I went out and
walked that whole property. And in fact I saw the TV
cable laying coiled up on the ground. So I know how
they even handled their TV cable in that area. So I'm
real familiar with that area and I knew that there was
private property in.
And the minute I saw Mr. Robertson's
drawing, I knew it wasn't accurate, because I was so
used to going over in that area.
MR. KVISTAD: Okay.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: I'm here, and I remember
very clearly Mr. Turnbeaugh being very deliberate
about, as you would say, clarifying the map that had
previously been drawn on the white board by
Mr. Robertson. And so that discussion took place and
it showed us a more accurate depiction of the property
ownership.
MR. KVISTAD:
So your understanding after
that discussion and from previous discussion was, were
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there other properties around the school district
property available for acquisition by the school?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Yes.
MR. KVISTAD: Next I'd like to show you a
map that we had prepared by Kennedy/Jenks that depicts
the location of the Heise property and some of the
school district property and some of the properties
around the school district. And what we've done is
referenced them by some of the names that were
discussed at the November 1 hearing or meeting.
At the top, Eric, this is the one titled
Vicinity Map.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Yes, sir.
MR. KVISTAD: What I wanted to clarify with
you, this lS obviously a better map than what was drawn
on the white board the day of the November 1, 2001
meeting. But I'd like to see if this generally depicts
your understanding at that time of the relationship
between the school district, the surrounding properties
that we were in private ownership in relation to the
Heise property. And I'd like you each to acknowledge
that, or if that doesn't depict it, then tell me why
not.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: I can acknowledge that
this is the way I interpreted the ownership issue after
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the presentation by Mr. Turnbeaugh, that there was
other land available around the school.
DIRECTOR JONES:
And I'll agree to that,
yes.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: That's the way I
remember it. And I didn't remember the names of the
property owners, but that's generally the configuration
of the rough drawings. And the bottom line was, were
there other properties that abutted up against the
Indian or the school there, the Alpine County school?
And the answer is yes.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: And I do agree not only
from the map but from actually walking around the area
and being in the area that it looks very much like
this.
MR. KVISTAD: So I think at this point I'd
like to confirm with each of you that you did
understand the relationship, let's say, first, the
location and the size of the Heise property as depicted
with the many things Hal showed you as well as what's
before you right now, that there was no doubt in your
mind as far as the location of the Heise property and
the size of the property? I'd like to just confirm
that with you.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER:
Well, I'm pretty
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familiar with that area and that property. And I've
walked out to the memorial myself. And one day our
former attorney took me out and we looked at fences
because I needed some fencing, and I even can tell you
some of the fencing in that area is material that was
used for runways during World War II in the islands.
MR. KVISTAD: Okay.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: My answer is I've lived
in Lake Tahoe since 1974 and my father was the
probation officer of Alpine County for about 12 years.
And so I spent a lot of time out there with him
visiting him and fishing, and I've been on the Board
since '91, and the first week I was on the Board I took
a tour of that area and it was explained to me. And
besides the map in Baer's office, I've been out there
many times and I'm very familiar with the lay of the
land as a result of other court actions and
acquisitions and things of that nature. It seems like
almost every meeting we've either discussed that
property, some property in that valley at one time or
another.
So I'm as familiar as one could be.
I think
perhaps more familiar than people who live there.
DIRECTOR JONES: My experience in Alpine
County goes back to, I guess, the '50s when I was a
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kid. We'd come up camping here at Tahoe or Alpine
County. In the '60s, when I was living in the
Sacramento area, I did a lot of exploring.
And then
in
the '70s, In '77, when I was elected to the Board, I
spent a lot of time over there over the years when
we've gone through different acquisitions, as well as
the construction.
And I've been very familiar.
In addition to that, as an engineer and a
surveyor, I've done a lot of work in Alpine County.
I'm very familiar on that level also over the years.
So
MR. KVISTAD:
Okay.
What I'm going to do
is
here.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: I can
MR. KVISTAD: I left you out. I'm sorry.
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: That's all right. I'm
I can say little did I know that the planning
committee involved tons of hours of looking at maps,
walking it and talking it and everything else, there
definitely was no ambiguity in my mind about what we
were doing.
MR. KVISTAD:
As I mentioned at the
beginning, what I'm going to do is propose two
resolutions for you to adopt. And I've got some notes
and stuff I'm going to read from to make that
resolution and then ask that, consider that, discuss
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it, and if it meets with your approval, for you to
adopt it.
This will be a resolution of the Board of
Directors of the South Tahoe Public Utility District
clarifying the Board of Directors findings related to
adoption of a negative declaration of environmental
impact for acquisition of property as ordered by the
Alpine Superior Court.
Whereas, the District is pursuing the
acquisition of certain property generally described as
approximately 1,442.92 acres located on Diamond Valley
Road in northeastern Alpine County, California, and
more particularly described in the map.. .And I'm going
to show you a map in just a moment. I'll just finish
this one.
. . .more particularly described in the map
and legal description attached as Exhibit A and
incorporated by this reference.
And what I will do is attach this map that
just shows the property and some of the adjacent parcel
maps as Exhibit A to the resolution.
We will also attach the legal description
that we used in the eminent domain action as far as the
metes and bounds description.
first whereas.
So that will be the
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Whereas, the District determined that
acquisition of the property was a project under the
California Environmental Quality Act, otherwise known
as CEQA, and prepared an initial study to evaluate the
potential environmental effects associated with the
property acquisition.
Whereas, the initial study indicated that
the property acquisition would not create a significant
effect on the environment and therefore the District
prepared and circulated a negative declaration for
public review and comment.
Whereas, the Board of Directors lS very
familiar with the respective locations and sizes of the
property, property owned by the Alpine County School
District and surrounding properties for numerous
reasons including, but not limited to:
The District's operations in Alpine County
have extended over several decades that has developed
into a good working relationship with Alpine County and
several ranchers in Alpine County that receive recycle
water for application on their lands, resulting in a
good understanding of property locations and sizes and
geography in the vicinity of the District's facilities.
S, the active participation of the Soard
members In the development of the master plan for
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recycled water facilities which involved numerous
meetings, workshops, studies, presentations maps and
reports.
C, the extensive real property negotiations
regarding the proposed property acquisition with F.
Heise Land and Livestock Company, and I'll refer to
this as Heise, prior to consideration of the negative
declaration which has involved numerous maps,
photographs, reports, meetings, presentations, all of
which were conducted in closed session pursuant to the
Brown Act.
0, the appraisal of the property which
included a detailed map of the property and surrounding
properties, including the location of the school
property.
E, the selection, retention and interface of
the environmental consultant, Parsons, to prepare the
initial study and the master plan including, but not
limited to maps, photographs, reports, presentations
and meetings.
F, the selection, retention, interface with
Kennedy/Jenks consultants to evaluate properties for
acquisition by the District and development of the
master plan including, but not limited to maps,
photographs, studies, reports, meetings and
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presentations.
G, visits arranged by District staff to view
Alpine County with respect to the District's existing
operations at facilities and relationship to
surrounding properties and uses.
And last, H, the individual knowledge of the
various Board members related to their experiences in
living in the Tahoe area and familiarity with being In
Alpine County on numerous occasions as you have
discussed earlier.
Whereas, the Board of Directors reviewed the
initial study, including a color copy of the map
depicted as figure 2, prior to November 1, 2001, which
depicted the location of the property in Alpine County
as understood by the Board of Directors.
Whereas, the District held a regular public
Board of Directors meeting on November 1, 2001, one
item which was to consider adoption of the negative
declaration for acquisition of the property.
Whereas, all five Board members of the Board
of Directors were present for the public meeting, and,
except that Director Strohm abstained from
participating in the public meeting due to a potential
conflict of interest, voted for adoption of the
negative declaration.
Director Becker has since
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replaced Director Strohm after the last election of the
Board of Directors in which Director Strohm did not
seek re-election.
Whereas, at the public meeting the Board of
Directors received evidence concerning the relative
locations of the property, school property and the
surrounding properties (as documented by the transcript
of the public meeting) which included the following:
A, a map drawn by Mr. Robertson on the white
board that inaccurately depicted the relative locations
of the property, the school property and surrounding
properties by which Mr. Robertson attempted to show
that there was no available adjacent properties
suitable for expansion of the school district
facilities.
The drawing was inaccurate in that the
property was drawn adjacent to the school property,
omitted properties held in private ownership adjacent
to the school property and erroneously referenced
properties adjacent to the school property as being
owned by "a state entity or another public entity" such
that the school district could not acquire any property
by condemnation.
0, Leonard Turnbeaugh, Director of Public
Works for Alpine County, revised the map drawn by
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Mr. Robertson to correctly depict the relative
locations of the property, the school property and
surrounding properties, including the locations of the
Diamond Valley Road and Hawkside Road; the location and
size of the school property, which is ten acres; and,
the location of properties adjacent to the school
property including one property to the west in private
ownership of approximately eight acres, the Schwake
property now owned by the District, approximately 21
acres, property owned by Cal Abel, a four unit
subdivision located across Diamond Valley Road from the
school and property owned by John Ellis.
And C, Matt Setty, Kennedy/Jenks
Consultants, provided supplemental information read
directly off the Alpine County Assessor Parcel Plats
that further clarified the information provided by
Mr. Turnbeaugh, that the school property was not
landlocked since Mr. Abel's property is located
directly to the east of the school property and
consists of 50 acres, Mr. Bradshaw's property is
located to the north of the school property, eight
acres, and the property located to the west of the
school property is in private ownership and consists of
eight acres.
Whereas, the Board of Directors adopted the
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negative declaration of environmental impact for
acquisition of the property pursuant to Resolution No.
2726-01 after consideration of the initial study, two
letters submitted addressing the initial study,
responses to such letters and other evidence and
testimony submitted at the public meeting.
Whereas, Heise filed a Writ of Mandate
action In Alpine County Superior Court, Case No.
C18644, claiming that the district failed to comply
with the California Environmental Quality Act for the
District's proposed acquisition of the property.
Whereas, on June 10th, 2002, the Alpine
Superior Court held a hearing on the Writ of Mandate
during which the Court continued the hearing and
ordered the District's Board of Directors to take such
action as it deems necessary or appropriate to clarify
the Board of Director's findings regarding the
respective locations and sizes of property, property
owned by Alpine County Unified School District and
other properties in private ownership located in the
vicinity of the property and the school property.
Whereas, the purpose of this resolution is
to clarify the Board of Director's findings for the
court with respect to the respective locations and
Slzes of the property, the school property and
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surrounding properties at the time the Board of
Directors adopted the negative declaration and is not
intended to supplement or amend the administrative
record concerning adoption of the negative declaration
for acquisition of the property.
Now therefore, be it resolved that the Board
of Directors clarifies its findings contained in
Resolution No. 2726-02 as follows:
And the first resolution I'm going to
propose would contain this finding only.
The Board of Directors fully understood the
respective locations and sizes of the property and the
school property and that there were several properties
held in private ownership immediately adjacent to the
school property that were available for acquisition by
the school district in the event it desired to expand
its facilities.
That would be my proposed first resolution
for you to consider adopting.
DIRECTOR JONES: I'll make a motion that we
accept the resolution as just read to us.
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: I can second that.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Okay. Eric, can you
hear well?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER:
I heard
I can.
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everything.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
We've had a motion and a
second to accept the resolutions as written and read.
And if there's any further discussion from members of
the Board regarding any clarification or from the
public, please speak now.
(No response.)
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
Seeing none, then I will
call for the vote, and I'm going to do it by roll call
since Director Schafer doesn't have a button available
to him.
So Director Schafer?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Aye.
PRES.IDENT WALLACE: Director Mosbacher?
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: Aye.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Director Jones?
DIRECTOR JONES:
Aye.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
Director Wallace.
Aye.
So the motion passes by four votes, with
Director Becker being absent.
(Whereupon, a vote was taken and the motion
passed unanimously.)
MR. KVISTAD:
The second resolution I'm
going to propose is the same, all the same whereases,
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except now what I'm going to do is it would be a
different finding on behalf of the Board.
So it would
be after the clause "Now therefore be it resolved that
the board of directors clarifies its findings contained
in Resolution No. 2726-01 as follows:" And the finding
would be as follows:
The map attached as Exhibit B -- which
Exhibit B will be the map titled Vicinity Map that I
distributed to you incorporated by this reference,
accurately depicts the Board of Director's
understanding and knowledge of the respective locations
and sizes of the property, the school property and the
surrounding properties at the time of the public
meeting when the Board adopted the negative
declaration.
That would be my proposed second resolution.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Well, it certainly
reflects my understanding.
So I will make the motion
that we accept the resolution as written and read.
DIRECTOR JONES: I'll second it.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: So we have a motion and
a second. Any further discussion from members of the
public or from the Board regarding this item?
(No response.)
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
Seeing none, then I will
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poll the board.
Director Schafer?
DIRECTOR SCHAFER: Aye.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Director Mosbacher?
DIRECTOR MOSBACHER: Aye.
PRESIDENT WALLACE: Director Jones?
DIRECTOR JONES: Aye.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
Director Wallace? Aye.
That motion passes four, and Director Becker
has entered the room but was not aware of this issue so
will not be voting.
(Whereupon, a vote was taken and the motion
passed unanimously.)
MR. KVISTAD: That's the end of this agenda
item.
PRESIDENT WALLACE:
Thank you.
(Proceedings concluded at 4:15 p.m.)
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STATE OF NEVADA,
ss.
COUNTY OF WASHOE.
I, DENISE PHIPPS, Certified Court Reporter in
and for the County of Washoe, State of Nevada, do
hereby certify;
That on Wednesday, July 3, 2002, at the City
Council Chambers, 900 Lake Tahoe Boulevard, South Lake
Tahoe, California, I was present and took verbatim
stenotype notes of the Hearing entitled herein, and
thereafter transcribed the same into typewriting as
herein appears;
That said hearing was taken in stenotype
notes by me, a Certified Court Reporter, and thereafter
reduced to typewriting under my direction as herein
appears;
That the foregoing transcript is a full, true
and correct transcription of my stenotype notes of said
hearing.
Dated at Reno, Nevada, this 5th day of July,
2002.
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